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Tempo Institute interviewed Irsan Pawennei - Co-Founder & Advisor of the Center for Innovation Policy and Governance (CIPG). Irsan talked about the National Research and Innovation Agency and the National Science and Technology System Act. Through Law No. 11/2019 concerning Sisnas Science and Technology, R&D activities expanded into research, development, study, application or abbreviated as litbangjirap, in the form of invention and innovation. Listen to the discussion with host Gita Putri Damayana.